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PostSubject: Aliens...   Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:44 am

Does the idea of aliens existing somewhere conflict with your beliefs?
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:50 am

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Does the idea of aliens existing somewhere conflict with your beliefs?


Not at all.

First, I'd have to buy the idea of there being aliens, which I don't.
So that part can't conflict.

But even if they did, so what?
Jesus, historically, did walk the earth, and said the things He said.
I choose to believe those things.
He didn't say, "Love your neighbor...unless there are aliens, in which case,
disregard all I've said!"

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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:36 pm

It contradicts what I believe because if there are aliens, Jesus never died there and no one ever preached to them. They do sin, because everything does, but they have nothing to pay for it. They don't know what they're doing, and they can't fix it.


It also makes me feel bad because it's like God is cheating on us with a different race :'''(
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:34 pm

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It contradicts what I believe because if there are aliens, Jesus never died there and no one ever preached to them. They do sin, because everything does, but they have nothing to pay for it. They don't know what they're doing, and they can't fix it.


It also makes me feel bad because it's like God is cheating on us with a different race :'''(


Sure, that makes sense (the first part, lol),
but who's to say Jesus didn't die over there, too?
That's assuming they have SOULS.

Hypothetical questions are so hard to do, though, in a debate.





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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:44 am

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Sure, that makes sense (the first part, lol),
but who's to say Jesus didn't die over there, too?
That's assuming they have SOULS.

Hypothetical questions are so hard to do, though, in a debate.
the idea of Jesus dying twice just makes no sense to me
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:57 pm

No they dont exist and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:11 pm

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No they dont exist and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous
You know the Pope declared that aliens don't interfere with the Catholic faith, right? That makes no sense to me. It sounds like they think that aliens will be discovered soon so they want to cover their asses and say that they aren't affected by it.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:56 pm

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No they dont exist and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous
You know the Pope declared that aliens don't interfere with the Catholic faith, right? That makes no sense to me. It sounds like they think that aliens will be discovered soon so they want to cover their asses and say that they aren't affected by it.



LOL.
I love how you assume you know what the Pope is thinking.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:58 pm

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No they dont exist

So are you saying that there's no way LIFE in any form
could possibly exist anywhere else?
ANY form?

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and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous


How does life somewhere else INTERFERE with the truths about God, though?
I don't see how you've given examples here.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:03 pm

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LOL.
I love how you assume you know what the Pope is thinking.
I didn't say I knew what the Pope was thinking. I just said that's what it sounds like to me.

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So are you saying that there's no way LIFE in any form
could possibly exist anywhere else?
ANY form?
Are we talking about amino acids (sometimes thought of as the start of life as we know it by scientists), plants of some kind, or actual beings with a soul (intelligence, will, and emotion)? There is a big difference.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:17 pm

You guys:


Jesus is Lord.
If we found out there were aliens, would that change?


Ridiculous.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:22 pm

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You guys:


Jesus is Lord.
If we found out there were aliens, would that change?


Ridiculous.
it would kind of screw things up for me, so yes. and if you come back trying to say that I don't really trust Jesus if I would give up just because there are aliens then I say that maybe you haven't looked at the consequences of having aliens exist. Aliens, beings with their own will, emotion, and knowledge/intelligence, cannot exist.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:23 pm

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No they dont exist and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous
You know the Pope declared that aliens don't interfere with the Catholic faith, right? That makes no sense to me. It sounds like they think that aliens will be discovered soon so they want to cover their asses and say that they aren't affected by it.

Here's what was said.
It doesn't sound like the Pope "thinks aliens will be discovered soon", LOL.
The Vatican's official newspaper has endorsed the possibility that the universe could contain intelligent life beyond Earth, while insisting that aliens would be "our brothers" and "children of God" as much as human beings are.

The Pope's astronomer, Josť Gabriel Funes, a Jesuit priest, told L'Osservatore Romano that there would be nothing surprising about the existence of intelligent extra-terrestrials.

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on Earth, so there could be other beings created by God [beyond it]," he said. The interview suggests that the Church's hierarchy may be paving the way to showing that Pope Benedict XVI is more open to the ideas of modern science than he has previously seemed to be.

Pope Benedict has spoken in favour of "intelligent design" in the past and has damned evolutionary ideas that leave no room for God.

Fr Funes, in the interview, admits that, for him, evolution is a given. He also said that he believed in the Big Bang theory as the most likely explanation for the origin of the universe, and that the Bible should not be held to account for its lack of scientific accuracy. "Fundamentally," he said, "the Bible is not a book of science... It's a love letter written by God to his people in the language of two or three thousand years ago... So one cannot ask the Bible for scientific responses."

The existence of alien beings would not create a problem for believers, he insisted, "because one cannot put limits on the creative freedom of God... They would be part of creation."

Pope Benedict has reminded believers that "Revelation teaches us that [man] was created in the image and likeness of God", and that "man is the only creature on Earth that God has wanted for his own sake".
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:30 pm

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Pope Benedict has spoken in favour of "intelligent design" in the past and has damned evolutionary ideas that leave no room for God.
Whoa. Intelligent design is totally wrong. Do Catholics really believe that?

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Fr Funes, in the interview, admits that, for him, evolution is a given. He also said that he believed in the Big Bang theory as the most likely explanation for the origin of the universe, and that the Bible should not be held to account for its lack of scientific accuracy. "Fundamentally," he said, "the Bible is not a book of science... It's a love letter written by God to his people in the language of two or three thousand years ago... So one cannot ask the Bible for scientific responses."
Yeah so it sounds to me like the Catholic Church pussied out and has stopped believing the Bible to go with more popular ideas. I have lost almost all respect for the Catholic Church now.

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Pope Benedict has reminded believers that "Revelation teaches us that [man] was created in the image and likeness of God",
...I thought that was in Genesis. I don't remember seeing that in Revelation.

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and that "man is the only creature on Earth that God has wanted for his own sake".
How does this have to do with Aliens? This is earth...
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:47 pm

Well, as with any article, who knows the validity of the actual quotes?

I'll hunt around and check it out more.



Seems like you're thinking of joining the Catholic Church.
LOL.


By the way, what's wrong with Intelligent Design for those who
do NOT take all numbers and time frames literal?
I don't know TOO much about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:24 am

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Yeah so it sounds to me like the Catholic Church pussied out and has stopped believing the Bible to go with more popular ideas. I have lost almost all respect for the Catholic Church now.

Please remember that this part was an interview with a priest, NOT the Pope,
and NOT as a "statement" by the Catholic Church.

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I thought that was in Genesis. I don't remember seeing that in Revelation.

I've searched and searched, and I can't find that, either.
Remember, this is probably ONE interview with the priest,
then somebody "copying and pasting" something the Pope said
at a DIFFERENT TIME in a different context concerning something ELSE.
That's how these things can work.

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How does this have to do with Aliens? This is earth...

See above.
It's all about context.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:56 pm

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No they dont exist and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous

Quit disregarding what phe talks about here... this is the answer to your question... I 100% agree. WE are his chosen, WE were made in His likeness, with SOULS.

Aliens, or belief that there are/could be aliens, is another scientific way to try and disprove God's existence and inaccuracy.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Fri Aug 29, 2008 9:03 pm

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No they dont exist and yes it interfere's with our faith. The thing that is SO special about people and earth is Life! god breathed life into us. He was in heaven with angels and we are special, he created us to give honor to him. Besides the fact he doesnt even hint anything about aliens, its just weird and wrong thinking about all of that. its very sci fi and to think god just has little creations he plays with everywhere is kind of blasphemous

Quit disregarding what phe talks about here... this is the answer to your question... I 100% agree. WE are his chosen, WE were made in His likeness, with SOULS.

Aliens, or belief that there are/could be aliens, is another scientific way to try and disprove God's existence and inaccuracy.


I don't think anyone's "disregarding" what Philip said.
It's just that most of what he said is subjective.
Watch:
"The thing that is so special" = subjective
"It's just weird and wrong" = subjective
"It is very sci-fi" = subjective
"God has little creations he plays with" = who knows? LOL
"kind of blasphemous" = subjective

Take those things out, and all you have are things that we all agree about.
LOL.
That's the problem with hypotheticals, as they can't be rooted in much.
Those are Philip's OPINIONS, and that's fine,
but because of the subjectivity of what he has said,
I don't feel there's anything to respond to.

No offense, Philip.
LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:03 am

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I don't think anyone's "disregarding" what Philip said.
It's just that most of what he said is subjective.
Watch:
"The thing that is so special" = subjective
"It's just weird and wrong" = subjective
"It is very sci-fi" = subjective
"God has little creations he plays with" = who knows? LOL
"kind of blasphemous" = subjective

Take those things out, and all you have are things that we all agree about.
LOL.
That's the problem with hypotheticals, as they can't be rooted in much.
Those are Philip's OPINIONS, and that's fine,
but because of the subjectivity of what he has said,
I don't feel there's anything to respond to.

No offense, Philip.
LOL.
What is a debate other than the clash of opinions?
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PostSubject: Re: Aliens...   Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:56 am

47.5 wrote:
BeMyIcon wrote:
I don't think anyone's "disregarding" what Philip said.
It's just that most of what he said is subjective.
Watch:
"The thing that is so special" = subjective
"It's just weird and wrong" = subjective
"It is very sci-fi" = subjective
"God has little creations he plays with" = who knows? LOL
"kind of blasphemous" = subjective

Take those things out, and all you have are things that we all agree about.
LOL.
That's the problem with hypotheticals, as they can't be rooted in much.
Those are Philip's OPINIONS, and that's fine,
but because of the subjectivity of what he has said,
I don't feel there's anything to respond to.

No offense, Philip.
LOL.
What is a debate other than the clash of opinions?


Well, to me, it's a lot more than that.
If someone came on this board (LOL) and said,
"God doesn't exist", I would think that we would all:
#1: respect his or her opinion to feel that way; but
#2: show that person WHY we feel that He DOES,
basing OUR opinions on things like historical evidence of Jesus,
reasons WHY we feel the way we do, etc.
NOT things like: "Well, that's totally stupid and blasphemous
for you to feel that way".
I mean, how could someone possibly respond to something like that?


EDIT:
Oh, neat!
I just found this verse (by "accident"):
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer (apologia) to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

I'm guilty of not doing that in MANY facets of life,
but it's one I think that I need to strive for!
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